number two, if you look at the fbi crime statistics over the last 20 years and you look at the violent crime index and the murder index, over the last 20 years, that's dropped 50%. but the other part of it that's interesting is that if you look at urban areas with population greater than 250,000, the violent crime index and the murder index is double the national average. 75% of all murders that are committed in this country are gang and drug related. we've got to look at the culture of violence in major american cities and give kids hope and mentor these kids. >> i think you're right on that. give me two more minutes with him. continue, go ahead. >> i read an article this morning that was -- it was based in jacksonville. and they were looking at the murder rate of young -- in this case, it was discussing young black men between the ages of 12 and 19, that that is the leading cause of death for them, homicide. >> absolutely. >> and if we can't -- and his point was, a lot of the kids are born with young, poor mothers and if we can reach these kids before they reach the age of 8 -- >> le